tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post7867143351802366475..comments2024-03-28T05:18:25.792-07:00Comments on Daytonian in Manhattan: The Lost Hotel Marguery -- No. 270 Park AvenueTom Millerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13542224816886418433noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-63580666127868383312022-07-22T14:06:22.586-07:002022-07-22T14:06:22.586-07:00Hi, I still have the sign. Please facebook me at ...Hi, I still have the sign. Please facebook me at Charlotte Rohs I live in Catskill< NY My phone nmber is 51894737051.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-5568078329482607482022-06-02T12:52:21.617-07:002022-06-02T12:52:21.617-07:00Hi Tom, I’m just now re-reading this excellent pos...Hi Tom, I’m just now re-reading this excellent post and noticed that you mentioned that Dr. Paterno graduated from Columbia University. He was, rather, a 1899 graduate of the Medical College of Cornell University in Ithaca.<br /><br />Thank you for the great article! I enjoyed the history of the building and the characters who inhabited it. On your administrative side, is it possible for you to pull an email address for the commenter "Sallucec"? They mentioned artifacts from the building and I'd love to connect as my great grandfather was Dr. Charles Paterno.TheHealersDiet.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09785924171524064614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-54229137010293405872021-10-01T11:55:24.263-07:002021-10-01T11:55:24.263-07:00Fabulous post AND comments. Not only did 270 Park ...Fabulous post AND comments. Not only did 270 Park appear in the 1947 20th Century-Fox film, "Kiss of Death," but two years later, it showed up in glorious Technicolor in the same studio's "Mother Is a Freshman," in which the exterior was shown in an expansive long-shot as the residence of the character played by Loretta Young. Mid-century Park Avenue is unrecognizable from its 2021 counterpart.Rafehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12383709928350146692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-58352404746473595302021-07-30T21:00:16.717-07:002021-07-30T21:00:16.717-07:00The named lived on (albeit briefly) as The Marguer...The named lived on (albeit briefly) as The Marguery Grill on 133 East 65th.Blondblueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16276916263999812447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-85862101310976099062021-06-24T11:00:12.007-07:002021-06-24T11:00:12.007-07:00Sallucec, are you still around? My great grandfath...Sallucec, are you still around? My great grandfather Dr. Charles V. Paterno built The Marguery. I'm interested in your items.Carla Cappiello Goldenhttps://www.marabella.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-62596717515987480902021-02-17T03:26:35.079-08:002021-02-17T03:26:35.079-08:00Yes. Fourth Avenue was renamed Park Avenue in 187...Yes. Fourth Avenue was renamed Park Avenue in 1875.Tom Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13542224816886418433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-20070836566996663892021-02-16T21:24:32.756-08:002021-02-16T21:24:32.756-08:00Quote: "Suddenly Park Avenue—a rather margina...Quote: "Suddenly Park Avenue—a rather marginal thoroughfare hitherto—had the potential of a high-class residential street"<br /><br />Was it called Fourth Avenue beforehand? I know that PAS was, but what about Park Ave?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10007958018152816805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-13263681352401653642021-02-16T17:42:38.860-08:002021-02-16T17:42:38.860-08:00Awesome story. Sic transit gloria mundi.Awesome story. Sic transit gloria mundi.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10007958018152816805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-24117064905466797592020-08-23T01:24:22.847-07:002020-08-23T01:24:22.847-07:00I believe they are recreating Nikola Tesla’s inven...I believe they are recreating Nikola Tesla’s invention before he passed secretly and building the tallest building to harness the most energy Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-35538728617482982222019-07-17T11:08:30.832-07:002019-07-17T11:08:30.832-07:00I have the 18x30 front plague from the Marguery an...I have the 18x30 front plague from the Marguery and several pictures of the staff and a postcard. My husband’s father was the Maitre in the 40s. Please let me know what I can do with these as we are getting older and want to downsize. Thank you for any advise you can give.<br />CharlotteSallucechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03600626960982516277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-1140143527414852602018-10-03T05:25:00.935-07:002018-10-03T05:25:00.935-07:00And now the current building will soon enter the h...And now the current building will soon enter the history books Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07384429568929124433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-15633129941799948462017-04-24T12:24:33.439-07:002017-04-24T12:24:33.439-07:00John Ringling died December 2, 1936 at his 270 Par...John Ringling died December 2, 1936 at his 270 Park Avenue apartment from pneumonia. His sister Ida Ringling North, nephew John Ringling North, old friend John Hennessey and his Physician Dr. Maurice Costello were in attendance. His 2nd wife Emily Haag Buck Ringling lived at the 270 Park Avenue apartment during their divorce proceedings from 1933 to July 6, 1936. Previously John and his first wife Mable, who died in 1929, had an apartment at 636 Fifth Avenue with servant quarters on the top floor which was tore down to make room for the Rockefeller Center.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-34131849723469402992017-04-23T21:18:58.236-07:002017-04-23T21:18:58.236-07:00John Ringling had an apartment at the Marguery or ...John Ringling had an apartment at the Marguery or 270 Park as noted in the book "The Circus King - Our Ringling Family Story" written by his nephew Henry Ringling North. In the apartment was a special closet that held 400 cases of bourbon whisky distilled in 1893, which he had bought from Ed Ballard just before Prohibition went into effect. Needing money to pay the $55,000 note on the Florida John Ringling Hotel that came due in 1934 he sold 300 cases at $40 a case to a friend in the liquor business and then sold the last few bottles for $50 apiece. So he had the apartment there from at least 1917 to 1934.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-62066776198306742272016-03-23T12:23:51.218-07:002016-03-23T12:23:51.218-07:00My grandmother and my great aunt worked as maids f...My grandmother and my great aunt worked as maids for the Colgate family. I was hoping the original building was still standing. Thankful there are some pictures.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11757201414039538074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-38306942133203441312015-11-13T02:22:53.824-08:002015-11-13T02:22:53.824-08:00From what I found in looking at the locations for ...From what I found in looking at the locations for "The Kiss of Death" 270 Park was, indeed a location for filming.Tom Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13542224816886418433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-36116892615985397112015-11-12T16:38:44.504-08:002015-11-12T16:38:44.504-08:00Interesting coincidence your posting this excellen...Interesting coincidence your posting this excellent history and great photos of the Hotel Marguery this week. I just ran across an interview of Avery Fisher in the Sept. 23, 1976 issue of Rolling Stone which mentions the 'Hotel Marguerite' as the location of the original Fisher Radio storefront. From my own research I know that was probably a transcription error by the interviewer, music critic Dave Marsh. The address shown for the "Fisher Radio Salon" in advertisements in the NY Times from the mid 40s thru the mid 50s is variously 39, 41, and 43 East 47th St. I believe that was the Hotel Marguery. Their original lease was noted in the Times on Nov. 21, 1945 and described as a "store in 270 Park Ave."<br /><br />I also seem to remember that some exterior shots for the film noir classic, "The Kiss of Death" were shot there. Do you know if that is true?<br /><br />CarterAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06905091302643357509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-72388756297750300892015-11-11T02:52:18.993-08:002015-11-11T02:52:18.993-08:00Thanks, Chauncy. Truly appreciate the accolade. Thanks, Chauncy. Truly appreciate the accolade. Tom Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13542224816886418433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-37331686549416115842015-11-11T02:48:48.958-08:002015-11-11T02:48:48.958-08:00just like the Ritz -Carlton now gone too, it was ...just like the Ritz -Carlton now gone too, it was probably configured like that. I always wanted to know more about this awesome structure. It's so sad that Warren and Wetmore lost so any buildings in Manhattan especially on Park Avenue. Definitely one of the most important posts you have done. Even in the Warren and WEemore book it doesn't go into detail about there being a Hotel Marguery. Your amazing.chauncy primmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17099894744964516223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-51631275691953267832015-11-09T11:20:23.710-08:002015-11-09T11:20:23.710-08:00The documentation regarding the Hotel Marguery as ...The documentation regarding the Hotel Marguery as opposed to No. 270 Park Avenue is rather vague. But early on it was noted that the "south west wing" was dedicated to the Hotel Marguery and the transient guests. I am not certain how that was internally (or even externally) configured.<br /><br />And no need to apologize for "serial commenting!"Tom Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13542224816886418433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-16954138531058272612015-11-09T11:18:39.921-08:002015-11-09T11:18:39.921-08:00Good eye! That photograph is the most recent and ...Good eye! That photograph is the most recent and was taken about the time your great uncle lived there, in 1951. Unfortunately I do not know what that shop would have been.Tom Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13542224816886418433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-79126688652975871352015-11-09T10:10:56.729-08:002015-11-09T10:10:56.729-08:00Sorry to serial comment, but I am really intrigued...Sorry to serial comment, but I am really intrigued. In your research, were you able to determine (or do any of your readers know) how, physically, the building was divided between the longer term tenants at 270 Park and the more transient ones at the Margurey? Was the Margurey a separate section of building like the Waldorf Towers? Or, like the Pierre, did residential and transient accommodations share the same floors? One side note- Henry DuPont' s daughter wrote a wonderful small book about her parents and the founding of Winterthur. She described her mother, Ruth Wales DuPont as essentially frugal, despite the almost mind bending opulence of the DuPont lifestyle. As an example, she said that her mother would never spend the nickel to call the recording of the current time (a service once provided by the telephone company), but would instead stick her dressing table hand mirror out of the window of her vast apartment at 270 Park, so that she could read the time from the clock on the New York Central (now Helmsley) building at the foot of Park Avenue.Magnuspetriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12625586892328226122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-11873452631178710522015-11-09T09:44:34.619-08:002015-11-09T09:44:34.619-08:00One question: the top most photograph in the artic...One question: the top most photograph in the article seems to show a shopfront on the northeast corner of the building, although it was clearly not part of the original structure, judging from the earlier photographs. Do you know who any of the retail tenants were?Magnuspetriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12625586892328226122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-74584000500793474842015-11-09T05:59:09.741-08:002015-11-09T05:59:09.741-08:00Great post about a once famous New York landmark n...Great post about a once famous New York landmark now, as you say, all but forgotten.<br /><br />I may be wrong, but I think the Margurey may have eked out an increasingly unfashionable existence during the 1950's as the Zeckendorfs worked to empty the building. I had a great uncle who lived in a small apartment there in the 1950's. He told my father that at that point, many plutocrats of the era with large apartments further up on Park and Fifth Avenues, or country places out of town (think of the proximity to Grand Central Station) kept small apartments at the Margurey for their mistresses. He once told my father, " I can't decide if I live in a second rate hotel or a first rate whore house". I work in the building today and get a chuckle from that story every time I walk in.Magnuspetriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12625586892328226122noreply@blogger.com