tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post7473159870108918896..comments2024-03-28T16:58:09.783-07:00Comments on Daytonian in Manhattan: The Lost Henry Phipps Mansion -- 5th Avenue and 87th StreetTom Millerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13542224816886418433noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-89964244377398330422017-09-06T09:32:05.432-07:002017-09-06T09:32:05.432-07:00The ballroom at Westbury House was created by thei...The ballroom at Westbury House was created by their son Jay for the coming out of his daughter Dita. It was not made from items from his fathers NYC residence. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-33227002630023509752017-08-20T16:05:20.797-07:002017-08-20T16:05:20.797-07:00The material is under the Roslyn BridgeThe material is under the Roslyn BridgeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07345318236646139154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-46704427265604799052017-05-01T12:16:26.807-07:002017-05-01T12:16:26.807-07:00Years later, Breaking news. The Times real estate...Years later, Breaking news. The Times real estate story about Guggenheim purchasing the house seems to have fallen through, or been a mis-reporting. Social Registers in the years after show the Phippses to still be in residence, until they moved to the new building Henry Phipps built at 1 Sutton Place South in 1926, just before demolition started on the Fifth Avenue house in Feb. 1927.<br />The Down East Dilettantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950254669198151850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-36232778503959552332014-06-03T08:26:34.097-07:002014-06-03T08:26:34.097-07:00These Fifth Avenue mansions were gorgeous but so s...These Fifth Avenue mansions were gorgeous but so short lived.The reasons for which mansions become obsolete in Manhattan are numerous and varied.First was the income tax after 1913.There was also the fact that the uber-wealthy Society spent most of their time in the country houses or travelling abroad on the new huge ocean liners.Newport, Palm Beach, Long Island with their resorts were very attractive.Of course the automobile changed things too, wealthy people had alot more mobility.You also had the "servant problem", you just couldnt get good help anymore.The costs of maintaining a large city residence were high.You needed a small army of servants which had wages .They werent as safe as the apartments.<br />Of course the grand apartment houses made a huge impact.Once the exlcusive residential(low-rise) sections of the city were invaded by these large structures the Avenues became very crowded, traffic increases exponentially.Developers started putting up palatial apartments with 15-20 rooms, which had high ceilings, fireplaces and layouts superior to that of a townhome.You had duplex apartments, maisonettes, and in the 20s penthouses, or roof apartments how they called them.They also offered numerous staff rooms, storage space.Many of them were simplexes, meaning you didnt have to go up and down the numerous flights of stairs all day long.Developers paid the mansion owners huge sums of money for their property, many times including a large apartment in the future building.<br />Also the social life had changed, wealthy people didnt entertain at home anymore, social clubs and hotels had better facilities for these activities.Ballrooms became unfashionable.The Gilded Age parties became less ostentatious, one didnt need an art gallery or music rooms, or reception rooms anymore.<br />And of course zoning laws changed.And here the geography of Manhattan Island is culpable too.Land was far too valuable to occupy a city plot with a single family residence.There was also the mentality, as in NYC people always embraced the new construction.Apartments were cutting edge, they had more light, a properly trained staff who made sure when you returned home from Newport the apartment was ready .If the building had a problem the live-in superintendent solved the problem.Also wealthy people started having less and less children.One didnt need 8 bedrooms anymore, 4-5 were sufficient and plenty of apartments provided that.Apartments had more bathrooms, more closet space, no stairs, and endless corridors.And i could keep on going.<br />In the end the single family residence never had a chance.The economy of an apartment was too superior.Lucianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09385966440427908887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-61299150362735023122014-04-13T10:51:08.427-07:002014-04-13T10:51:08.427-07:00He sounds like a better man than some of the hyper...He sounds like a better man than some of the hyper-rich today -- and with better taste, too.Drayton Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871107998046212949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-50261245676523864602014-04-12T19:04:20.303-07:002014-04-12T19:04:20.303-07:00As of 2009, the Old Long Island website (which has...As of 2009, the Old Long Island website (which has tons of great images and is always a fun read), in 1930 the various parts of the facade were sent by Mrs. Phipps to her daughter Amy's estate "Templeton" at Brookville, where they still sit on a back lot slowly eroding away. I'd be interested to know about any interior sections that might have been saved as well.Carolynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12816409176393824006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-25761578358999086642014-04-11T23:59:38.745-07:002014-04-11T23:59:38.745-07:00One of my favorites of all the great New York City...One of my favorites of all the great New York City homes. <br /><br />Understated elegance with surprising design twists. It was exquisite.<br /><br />***A TENNESSEE FANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-53691451893474039732014-04-07T11:08:37.290-07:002014-04-07T11:08:37.290-07:00Dignified and handsome and light too. The stairwe...Dignified and handsome and light too. The stairwell was disassembled and used by daughter Amy Phipps Guest in her Long Island home, Templeton. Still there. The Dining Room was moved to son J. S. Phipps's Westbury House - now Old Westbury Gardens. Was the ballroom moved there too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-14143994755519738372014-04-07T07:12:19.904-07:002014-04-07T07:12:19.904-07:00NY:
As a side note I believe the family careful di...NY:<br />As a side note I believe the family careful disassembled the marble facade and had it stored for decades in Greenvale Long Island where it sat unused. Dont know what became of the materials but it was widely reported on up until about 2 decades ago. Would you know the outcome of this story? Also, I think some interior elements and the dining room paneling was also preserved and used in the Phipps family home on Long Island.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502312000087595701.post-64300718062412545232014-04-07T05:06:34.484-07:002014-04-07T05:06:34.484-07:00I think this is the apartment house that replaced ...I think this is the apartment house that replaced the Phipps mansion:<br /><br />http://www.thecityreview.com/ues/fifave/fif1060.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com